Thursday, September 4, 2008

Liar Exposed


Many Christian believe that whoever does not accept J*sus will "burn in hell" for all of eternity. To this extent, they are willing to do almost anything to win converts to their faith and thus "save souls". Paul, a founding father of the church and one of the most successful missionaries to have ever lived, admitted to employing deception in order to attract people to his new religion. He confessed to using lies and fraud to win converts:

- Corinthians 9:20-22: To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law -- though not being myself under the law -- that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law -- not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ -- that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak.

- Romans 3:7: If through my lies God’s truth abounds to His glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?

- Philippians 1:18: In every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Jesus is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.

Some of his followers have taken a page from Paul's play book. A new and frightening phenomenon which has infiltrated many Jewish institutions are "Jewish-Christians", a group which worships J*sus and accepts all of the basic tenets of Christianity but incorporates many Jewish rituals in order to mislead Jews. They claim that they are "completed Jews", insulting the millions of Jews who remain faithful to the religion of their fathers. They give J*sus Jewish garbs, dress him up as a Chassidic Rebbe and imagine him to be a Gadol. These wicked heretics call their churches "synagogues" and their leaders "rabbis". According to them, the New Testament- I mean Brit HaChadasha- is just as Jewish as gefilte fish. Messianics throw around Hebrew and Yiddish terms, copy Jewish practices and pretend to be Jews in order to persuade the ignorant to give up Judaism. They prey on the unaffiliated, often Torah-ignorant college students or the elderly, and the weak, new olim and the poor. "To the Jews, I became a Jew, in order to win Jews". While condemning the Oral Law as the work of man, they freely misappropriate rabbinic literature in support of their idolatrous creed despite the fact that none of the codifiers of the Law believed in J*sus for even a second. They know no shame in their wicked obsession with destroying through missionizing and distributing pamphlets, what could not be destroyed through auto-da-fes and death camps.

Enter "Daniel". As we all recall, he was an normal Orthodox, mitzvah observant, Torah-keeping Jew married to a Jewess for Jesus (red flag). He surrounded himself with Christian friends, even accepting gifts from missionaries, under the guise of a halacha-bound Jew. He would constantly promote Judeo-Christian dialogue and friendship. Even his arguments against Christianity were half-hearted and conciliatory. He would have us believe that he suddenly had a revelation and realized the truth of J*sus. This set off a warning in my mind as Orthodox Jews who have even the tiniest knowledge of Torah do not suddenly become Christians (or "completed Jews"). What prompted this epiphany? He never let us know. Silence was our answer.

Last year, I go into a debate with a Messianic missionary by the screen name of Big Daddy Jew. He claimed to have lived in Teveriah (where Daniel planned to make aliyah to). A few months ago, he suddenly disappeared. I had a feeling that Daniel, Yehudi01 and BDJ might be one and the same. I traced their IP addresses with their e-mails to the same city in California, having identical IP addresses. I recall that whenever BDJ showed up, Daniel would be very apologetic. It seems that our Daniel is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is certainly no Orthodox Jew but was a secret missionary all along. He probably is not even a Jew to begin with, but a skilled Christian missionary who learned the basics of Judaism and passes himself off as a Jew.

On a site linked to his blog, Daniel shows his true colours. He writes:

Daniel // Mar 28, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Being trained as a missionary, I always felt that peoples souls were at stake. Specially meeting secular Jews that have little interest in the things of G-d. Once I learned more about Judaism I realized that lack of engagement has much to do with persecution as well as lack of understanding of G-d’s character and purposes. I feel that many people have nowhere to go to, where G-d’s principles are clearly communicated. The many religious groups out there are more interested in numbers than true change in people’s hearts and the Message of Moshiach and Hashem is hidden in a huge pile of garbage that is fed to people.

Religious Jew? Sudden epiphany? Bah! It seems like we've been had all along. Far from being a religious Jew, Daniel has been playing us for fools. He has been sowing doubt in our hearts as to the veracity of the Torah and persuading us to accept his false deity. Now he wants us to believe that his eyes were opened to "the truth of c*rist" while this was his plan all along.

In the early centuries of the Common Era, the Jews of Judea were beset by many heretical sects such as the Sadducees, Essenes, Boethusians and early Christians, groups which tried to lead Jews astray with their corrupt doctrines. The great Sage Rabban Gamliel instituted the 19th blessing of the Amidah prayer at Yavneh. This prayer against minim curses the sectarians and asks G-d to protect His nation from the scourge of this cancer. "Let there be no hope for slanderers, and let all wickedness perish in an instant. May all your enemies quickly be cut down, and may you soon in our day uproot, crush, cast down and humble the dominion of arrogance. Blessed are you, Oh L-rd, who smashes enemies and humbles the arrogant." So dangerous are these heretics that the Torah admonishes us to "exterminate evil from our midsts".

The Torah says in Devarim, chapter 13:

7. If your brother, the son of your mother, tempts you in secret or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your embrace, or your friend, who is as your own soul saying, "Let us go and worship other gods, which neither you, nor your forefathers have known."

8. Of the gods of the peoples around you, [whether] near to you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth;

9. You shall not desire him, and you shall not hearken to him; neither shall you pity him, have mercy upon him, nor shield him.

10. But you shall surely kill him, your hand shall be the first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

11. And you shall stone him with stones so that he dies, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

12. And all Israel shall listen and fear, and they shall no longer do any evil such as this in your midst.


Daniel, consider yourself virtually executed for the capital crime of leading Jews into idolatry. You are a choteh u'machti, a sinner who leads others to sin, and as such the gates of teshuvah are closed to you. The Torah orders us to remove the abominations from among us so you are no longer welcome here or at any Torah-observant site. You lied to us, pretended to be something that you are not, all with the hope of getting us to forsake our faith and accept your idolatrous beliefs. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are now a persona non grata here for your despicable acts. "Daniel", know that despite your best attempts, the Jewish people will survive from now until eternity while you and your wicked missionary friends will be relegated to the ashes. The Jewish people must be whole-hearted with HaShem their G-d. We cannot allow spiritual enemies like you to steal our souls and lead us into idolatry. HaShem will repay you a thousand-fold for your evil to His people.

May all the humanity reject their man-made idols and accept the ultimate Kingship of HaShem, speedily in our days. May the King, King of Kings, send us the day when He will be One and His name One. May He crush the wicked and lift up the pride of His beloved people. Amen, amen, amen!

35 comments:

Papa Frank said...

This post speaks volumes more about your pathetic character than it speaks of Daniel. To say that he was never a Jew is slander and a pathetic excuse for you to ignore the truth of his discovery for his own life. You are the one with no moral fiber who has turned on his own friend in a most hateful and vicious manner. You are the one who fought side by side with Daniel and now dismiss and brutally attack him when his views are no longer in line with yours. Take a good hard look at your own motivation and your own actions here and tell me that they are pleasing to the heart of God.

Bar Kochba said...

Pops, he exposed his own lies in a post at Messianic Jewish Quest. The post is there with his name on it, and he took credit for it at his site. His IP address is identical with that of another missionary. He is married to a Christian woman. There is no way that he was ever an Orthodox Jew and doubtful that he was ever a Jew at all. He is the one who should be ashamed of using deception to destroy Jewish souls.

Papa Frank said...

I cannot find "Messianic Jewish Quest." How do I get there?

Bar Kochba said...

http://messianicjudaismquest.com/evangelizing-an-act-of-war/#comments

What are the chances that a certain Daniel linked to this site just happened to post a series of comments about Messianic "Judaism" and how to incorporate Judaism into them?

Papa Frank said...

I do not know if this is the same Daniel that we know but would like to point out that this is another comment of his from the same thread:

Daniel // Jul 28, 2008 at 6:41 pm

Groups suchs as Jews for Jesus and Hebrew Christians try to convert Jews by using the same antisemitic tactics as historical Christianity. They use terms which demean Judaism as legalistic and make a distinction between their so called form of Judaism (Christian Theology) and Classical/Traditional Judaism which they disregard as “rabbinic” in a derogatory way. Other terms used against Jews are dead, blind, deceived by the devil, bound by the tradions of men, etc.

Papa Frank said...

That hardly seems like a friend of Jews for Jesus or someone looking to missionize Jews.

Mad Zionist said...

Papa Frank, when you are ignorant about something it is best to shut up rather than say something stupid. You are a complete ignoramous when it comes to Judaism and what a crime it is to actively misrepresent it to try and ply vulnerable people away like Daniel did.

Daniel has been caught for being a fraud. BK and myself both worked dilligently before this post was made to make sure we were right, and the evidence now is too overwhelming to ignore. For you to attack BK for exposing the truth about Daniel refelects very poorly on your character as a person.

kahaneloyalist said...

MZ, Frank is a goy who despises the Talmud and the Rabbanim, there is little point in rebuking someone who is filled with hate for Torah though he cloaks it in Notsri values.

BK, thank you for exposing this goy piece of filth.

Papa Frank said...

Did you even read the other quote I brought from the same thread? Go ahead and don't let a little thing like truth get in the way of your orthodox club.

Mad Zionist said...

PF, you have failed miserably. The fact that he confessed to being a trained missionary should have been enough, but then you idiotically included a post of his that was based on STRATEGICALLY using different tactics to convert Jews as proof that he really is a good Jew?

Stop. You just have no idea what the hell you're talking about, and are only digging yourself in deeper. You should be aplogizing profusely for showing bad judgment believing this scumbag, not defending the criminal as you are.

I thought you might be a decent guy, just a Christian who was ignorant of what this messianic thing was all about. Now I don't think that anymore. I think you agree with them, and may in fact be supporting what they are doing. Unless you begin to come out publicly against Daniel, I consider you nothing but human excrament.

Papa Frank said...

How does this show that he is trying to convert Jews and how do you even know it is the same Daniel that we know?

Papa Frank said...

By the way, I am open to being wrong I simply dion't see how you have proved him to be a missionary or even to be the same person as the Daniel in this other post.

Mad Zionist said...

PF, do you think the IP adresses from a missionary that BK traced to Daniel were lies, too? It's amazing the degree to which you will stretch to give him every benefit of every doubt. I suspect that is because you are an accomplice to what he is doing.

Papa Frank said...

Do not question me integrity as I have never represented myself as anything other than what I am and have never been known to lie anywhere ever!!! Are you talking about this "Daniel" at Quest for Judaism? Does he have the same IP address as Daniel? Stop attacking and explain clearly how you know Daniel has always been a secret missionary.

Mad Zionist said...

PF, please read BK's post again.

Papa Frank said...

"It seems that our Daniel is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is certainly no Orthodox Jew but was a secret missionary all along. He probably is not even a Jew to begin with, but a skilled Christian missionary who learned the basics of Judaism and passes himself off as a Jew."

What proof is there of this. If Daniel and BDJ are indeed the same person, which I also believe they are, BDJ only showed up less than a year ago (which is the same amount of time that Daniel stated he had been searching the Torah and praying) and was never seen before that. What about the couple years of debate BK and I and Daniel had prior to that? Where is your proof that Daniel was never a Jew and is some sort of Christian missionary. As I recall, BDJ was also very much against Christian missionaries or missionizing Jews. And with the fierceness and hate that has been shown to Daniel since declaring himself a Messianic Jew who could blame him for keeping it hidden for the last little while? He KNEW the hate that would beset him and the rejection by own friends that he was in store for.

motherofmany said...

I just wanted to point out that the verses quoted were taken out of context. Within the context of the writing, Paul says that (Romans) those who are saying it is OK to lie if the end result is reached (end justifying the means) are wrong and deserve the condemnation they are bringing on themselves. 1 Corinthians 9 is an admontion not to go into any situation and assume you understand-basically that you have to walk a mile in someone's shoes before thinking you understand his situation. It is meant to prevent someone from trying to convert anyone else without knowing what they believe, which is actually the opposite of what is offensive to you about missionaries.

The verse in Phillipains discusses that some people are speaking about the Messiah in truth and some are lying. The result is that people want to know and they go looking for the truth. His point is that whether others lie is of no consequence, because the debate is causing people to want to know for themselves.

I am interested in what version you have read, because that could also lend a lot to the misunderstanding. The scriptures have been twisted and perverted many times by people who desire to defend their presuppositions. Perhaops you came across one of these blasphemies.

nanc said...

please know that when you call daniel a liar, you have three fingers pointing back at you, b.k. - YATZER HARA!

גילוי said...

nanc, it is a mitzvah to fight for truth, even if it makes you uncomfortable. It is the yetzer hara that makes one distort their judgment and say that exposure of lies is evil.

The Pagan Temple said...

Just a minor point about Paul. He did not "pretend" to be a Jew, he was himself an Orthodox Jew at one point before he was converted to Christianity. Up until that time, he opposed and persecuted Christians, even going so far as to take part in the execution of one Christian named Stephen.

What he seems to be saying is that God put himself (Paul) in the position he was in in life in order for him to later more easily convert Jews to Christianity. Not that he himself purposely "pretended" to be a Jew, or sick, or weak, etc.

Papa Frank said...

Why have you deleted Daniel's reply to your baseless accusation? I was nice enough to save it so you can rethink that decision. If you accuse someone as you have then allow them to stand up and defend themselves. Face him like a man and accuse him to his face or continue to hide. It's your choice.

Bar Kochba said...

Daniel doesn't exist. I believe completely that he is a missionary and posed as a Jew. Even if he wasn't, his site now serves to convert Jews. He is now an idolater and I want nothing to do with him. He is in cherem for avodah zarah.

Papa Frank said...

So then you can't face the person you have no problem accusing? You KNOW that the quote you attributed to Daniel was not him at all. How many people are there named Daniel do you suppose? Do you have any actual proof that he was never an orthodox Jew? If so then please present it.

גילוי said...

Papa Frank,

It is rather simple: During the period that he claimed to be an orthodox Jew, was he married to, what by Jewish law, is an idolator? I.e. did his spouse during that period profess belief in the same deity that you do?

Papa Frank said...

She professed faith in the same deity that YOU do and that I do.

גילוי said...

Papa Frank,

It is not the same. My deity does not come born in to this world, does not take human form, etc. Those who believe this do not believe in the G-d of Israel.

Papa Frank said...

If you're talking about the God who created heaven and earth and breathed life into us all then we ARE talking about the same God.

Papa Frank said...

And how come nobody has brought forth ANY proof that Daniel never was a Jew and was some sort of "undercover" Christian missionary instead?

Bar Kochba said...

Frank, no we do not worship the same deity. A Jew is forbidden from entering a church since it is a house of idolatry.

And we have brought plenty of proof. He admitted to doing so on Messianic Jewish Quest (denial isn't just a river in Egypt). His IP is exactly the same as BDJ. He is married to a Jewess for J*sus. And even if none of this is true, his site is a platform for missionary activity.

Papa Frank said...

The "Daniel" at Messianic Jewish Quest WAS NOT HIM. I agree that he was BDJ but there is nothing prior to the time frame he gave of a year that shows he was anything but a Jew. And certainly nothing that shows he is some sort of "undercover" Christian missionary. As a matter of fact he used to deride me quite heavily as you should recall. Do you not remember our first acquaintance on the Rustin's Myth blog? That was the first that I met him or you.

Papa Frank said...

And by the way, I do not relegate my worship of God to my church. I praise and worship Him from the rising of the Sun to the going down of the same.

Bar Kochba said...

Frank, you have just admitted that for months, Daniel pretended to be a Torah-observant Jew while he posted under another alias in attempts to missionize. BDJ contacted me many times trying to "share" with me "the good news". All that time, I was having separate conversations with Daniel, trusting him. I recall him sending me a copy of a book that he was writing, "No Greater Love" which I felt had distinctly pro-Christian tones. BDJ's bio says that he is committed to converting Jews. Daniel acted like a religious Jew and had a second alias in which he tried to convert us. He is a rat and a coward. Are you so low that you do not find any of this offensive?

Frank, you do not understand. I don't care where you worship, how your pray or to whom. There is a halachic debate whether or not Christianity is idolatry for a gentile. Be a Christians and gei gezunte heit. But leave Jews alone. This whole episode only goes to show the danger of inter-faith nonsense. That's why the Sages frowned on these sort of debates. They only expose Jews to idolatry and heresy. Daniel violated halacha by accepting gifts and friendship with idolaters and look where this has led him. Now his soul has been murdered.

Frank, you are now guilty of the capital punishment for enticing a Jew to abandon his faith. YOU ARE BANNED FROM THIS SITE. You are so despicable that I have no words. You were in on this from them beginning.

Papa Frank said...

I guess you have an extremely short memory if you think I was "in on" anything. Have I ever once asked you to be anything but a Jew? I never asked Daniel to be anything but a Jew as well. Daniel's decision was between him and God and I was very careful to have nothing to do with it. I will respect your wish to be banned and will not post here any longer. My wish is only for your well being and I have had NO INTENT other than the ones that I have expressed freely ever since we began debating. I have never misrepresented myself to you. Daniel made the decision that he made less than a year ago and previous to that he believed just as you believe. You know in your heart that is true. He did mislead you as BDJ but not out of malice. The truth is that he knew all too well what your reaction would be and the reaction of others as well and was not yet ready to face that type of rejection. I guess this is goodbye and so I wish you well. You are free to comment at my blog if you ever wish. I will no longer comment here as this is your wish. Goodbye, my friend.

Mad Zionist said...

PF, your phony tug at the heart strings failed miserably. You are as transparent as glass, and through it we see a missionary liar who was BUSTED for participating in a false, deceptive scheme with messianic missionary Daniel.

Consider yourself banned from my site, as well.

motherofmany said...

Here is an article that explains what I was attempting to say:

http://messiahyeshua.blogspot.com/2008/05/shaul-paul-maligned-misunderstood-and.html