tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-912687005056852525.post7146078083406498417..comments2023-06-10T11:25:01.066-04:00Comments on The Truth About Moshiach: We Let Them InAvihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06156322358503174356noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-912687005056852525.post-55039427837162360152008-09-14T15:23:00.000-04:002008-09-14T15:23:00.000-04:00Traditional covers a wide range between nearly ful...Traditional covers a wide range between nearly full observance to minor but regular observances of Torah law.<BR/><BR/>Limited following of kashrut, lighting of Shabbat candles, great respect shown to the Chachamim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-912687005056852525.post-90882764257055354772008-09-13T22:15:00.000-04:002008-09-13T22:15:00.000-04:00kahaneloyalist,I lay absolurely no claim to politi...<B> kahaneloyalist</B>,<BR/>I lay absolurely no claim to political knowledge but would you say the figures you state are reflected in the current Israeli government?<BR/><BR/>Also, what do you mean by traditional?Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-912687005056852525.post-5243270673825397602008-09-13T20:02:00.000-04:002008-09-13T20:02:00.000-04:00Ralph, the claim you cite is nonsensical, the numb...Ralph, the claim you cite is nonsensical, the numbers are in reverse about 20% of Israelis are secualar, 30% Torah observant and the remainder traditional.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-912687005056852525.post-15300482079399416922008-09-13T15:37:00.000-04:002008-09-13T15:37:00.000-04:00I would put forth that as a Karaite, he might have...I would put forth that as a Karaite, he might have an agenda.גילויhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10600628881119650305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-912687005056852525.post-35318143121002235202008-09-12T18:53:00.000-04:002008-09-12T18:53:00.000-04:00גילויI guess you may be right when you say:-"..but...<B> גילוי</B><BR/>I guess you may be right when you say:-<BR/>"..but that does not mean that they actually have learned Torah before arriving at that conclusion."<BR/><BR/>However, they must have learnt enough to be turned off by the "innovations" imposed by the Rabbinical system. Otherwise, how would:-<BR/>"They know these Rabbinical laws are not from the Torah"<BR/>as Nehemia Gordon suggests in his book?Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-912687005056852525.post-31732852211145835442008-09-12T05:38:00.000-04:002008-09-12T05:38:00.000-04:00Ralph, as a resident of Israel, I would have to ag...Ralph, as a resident of Israel, I would have to agree with BK's assessment, even of secular Jews in Israel. Many Jews are turned off by some of the modern stringencies seen in the ultra-orthodox society, but that does not mean that they actually have learned Torah before arriving at that conclusion.גילויhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10600628881119650305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-912687005056852525.post-57448234066838664942008-09-12T05:35:00.000-04:002008-09-12T05:35:00.000-04:00BKIn your post "We Let Them In" you said...<B>BK</B><BR/>In your post "We Let Them In" you said in your 4th paragraph:-<BR/>"...in Israel today, many Jews have no idea of what Judaism entails, are unfamiliar with the traditions and customs and are completely lost in Judaism."<BR/><BR/>and I wonder as to the accuracy of that statement.<BR/><BR/>Some time ago I purchased a book with the title "The Hebrew Yeshua vs. the Greek Jesus". The author is, I understand, a notable Israeli Karaite Jew by name of Nehemia Gordon who is, coincidentally, an observer of the new moon in Jerusalem.<BR/><BR/>On page 22 of his book he writes:-<BR/>"In modern Israel about 70% of the Jews are “secularist” which means they do not live by Torah. If you ask the average Israeli why he has shut Torah out of his life, he will generally tell you that being “religious” is too difficult and it’s not what G-d wants anyway. When you ask for an example, he’ll cite you a thousand and one things the Rabbis require, which have no basis in the Torah. Now these secularists are not stupid. They know these Rabbinical laws are not from the Torah but they usually do not realize that there is a way to live by Torah without being sucked in by Rabbinical innovation. So they end up by throwing the baby out with the bathwater. In essence, by requiring these man-made laws, the Rabbis are driving people away from the Torah."<BR/><BR/>You have said:-<BR/>"...in Israel today, many Jews have no idea of what Judaism entails,.."<BR/><BR/>So, just what is the truth of the matter>?Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-912687005056852525.post-77058599369387782102008-09-12T00:13:00.000-04:002008-09-12T00:13:00.000-04:00Messianics are never to be tolerated. Never, never...Messianics are never to be tolerated. Never, never, ever should we permit them to debase Judaism as we turn a blind eye.Mad Zionisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02368389951636950238noreply@blogger.com